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James Laraway

Streamer fishing
« on: 04/01/2018 at 13:31 »
Ive decided that this year im going to take a leaf out of our American cousin's book and go after the brownies with streamers. I've cerainly been inspired by watching some cracking youtube videos.

so 2018 , for me, will be the year of the streamer

1st off the production line..



Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #1 on: 04/01/2018 at 15:28 »
Back of the queue lol...

Quite a few of us have been fishing streamers for a while now. Tend to stick with a single hook these days. Have had a couple of fish deep(ish) hooked on tandems.

James Laraway

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #2 on: 04/01/2018 at 15:40 »
ive only really fished big lures before for the brownies, never articulated flies....From the looks of the flies used in the US the bigger the better....

i do have some shanks that need using up so i will do some 'single hook' atrictulated ones too...

have you tried them on lochs as well as rivers Rob ?

Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #3 on: 04/01/2018 at 15:56 »
ive only really fished big lures before for the brownies, never articulated flies....From the looks of the flies used in the US the bigger the better....

i do have some shanks that need using up so i will do some 'single hook' atrictulated ones too...

have you tried them on lochs as well as rivers Rob ?

Yip....in the way of Pike flies being hammered by trout!!

Derek Roxborough

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #4 on: 04/01/2018 at 16:46 »
 Yuck! :X2 Derek Roxborough

Hamish Young

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #5 on: 04/01/2018 at 21:09 »
Word of caution, tempting though it is to use some of the big heavy tungsten heads etc I find less is more.... and much easier/pleasant to cast  :z13

Derek Roxborough

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #6 on: 04/01/2018 at 21:25 »
 That " fly" smacks of Desperation, :z12 Derek Roxborough

Euan Innes

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #7 on: 04/01/2018 at 21:30 »
Word of caution, tempting though it is to use some of the big heavy tungsten heads etc I find less is more.... and much easier/pleasant to cast  :z13
Indeed, and go get an OPST Commando head skagit line with a full set of the three tips rated for your chosen rod. If you have difficulty choosing a weight then contact OPST (OPskagit.com) and tell them your rod weight and intended targets.
OPST Commandos can be had from www.francnsnaelda.com, which is Sean Stanton the Deeside ghillies website. He has some really cool tying materials there too.
Also check out Youtube for the OPST videos - it is not just Steelhead!  :z16

 :z1

Dave Robb

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #8 on: 04/01/2018 at 22:07 »
Surely you can just use a normal sinking line, say on a #7 or #8 to fish one of these streamers?  :z8

Hamish Young

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #9 on: 05/01/2018 at 06:45 »
Surely you can just use a normal sinking line, say on a #7 or #8 to fish one of these streamers?  :z8
Much depends on the properties of the line so up to a certain size and weight of streamer a conventional line will do the job. Thereafter it's a question of using something fit for purpose, single handed Skagit is one option and a good one.

Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #10 on: 05/01/2018 at 08:30 »
I use the Orvis Bankshot and the Rio Streamer lines for the heavy streamers, and an SLX for the more normal Wooley Buggers and so on.

However, I will be using a Skagit this year (if I can find the one I want).

Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #11 on: 05/01/2018 at 08:32 »
That " fly" smacks of Desperation, :z12 Derek Roxborough

Can't agree with that. Big browns are predatory. Its matching the hatch and a very valid method.

Desperation is the plethora of people using "mop" flies and blobs on the river!

James Laraway

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #12 on: 05/01/2018 at 09:09 »
Much depends on the properties of the line so up to a certain size and weight of streamer a conventional line will do the job. Thereafter it's a question of using something fit for purpose, single handed Skagit is one option and a good one.

i thought ( probably wrongly) that you werent meant to overhead cast a skagit as it would break your rod ?

last year i did buy a Teeny T300 line to try out, just not wet it yet...

James Laraway

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #13 on: 05/01/2018 at 09:11 »
I use the Orvis Bankshot and the Rio Streamer lines for the heavy streamers, and an SLX for the more normal Wooley Buggers and so on.

However, I will be using a Skagit this year (if I can find the one I want).

i do have SLX's for my 7wt and recently got one for my #6 switch ...so all tooled up as they say :-)

Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #14 on: 05/01/2018 at 10:00 »
i thought ( probably wrongly) that you werent meant to overhead cast a skagit as it would break your rod ?


A single handed skagit is still "spey" cast, not over head.




Rob Brownfield

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #15 on: 05/01/2018 at 10:01 »
i do have SLX's for my 7wt and recently got one for my #6 switch ...so all tooled up as they say :-)

I actually use lightly weighted Woolly Buggers on a 4 weight SLX. Size 6 probably the biggest.

On the 7 weight its easy to chuck a long shank size 2 with several wraps of lead :)

Derek Roxborough

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #16 on: 05/01/2018 at 16:55 »
Can't agree with that. Big browns are predatory. Its matching the hatch and a very valid method.

Desperation is the plethora of people using "mop" flies and blobs on the river!
  Oh Yeah? what hatch? Derek Roxborough

James Laraway

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #17 on: 05/01/2018 at 17:52 »
A single handed skagit is still "spey" cast, not over head.


Looks impressive right enough but good casters can make anything look good . Also I see they use mono running line so no wonder they fly !!!

Liam Stephen

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #18 on: 05/01/2018 at 18:18 »
  Oh Yeah? what hatch? Derek Roxborough

Derek you strike me as being very old school in your methods and opinions. There have been a lot of advances in fly fishing in recent times. At the forefront of this would be nymphing techniques and all that goes with it but that’s off topic.

Secondary to nymphing would be, yup you guessed it streamer fishing.  I think most would agree, that the yanks are mostly responsible for pioneering the modern day techniques. Kelly Galloup is regarded as the godfather of the streamer and is the one most have heard of. Look him up for a masterclass in the method and your opinions will maybe change.

As for matching the hatch, once these fish reach a certain size, it requires high return meals to maintain its condition.  In order to do this it will change its feeding habits. Instead of intercepting thousands of drifting nymphs or emergers trapped in the film it will chose to feed on bigger food items.  Less effort for a higher calorie return. Minnows, stickleback, juvenile trout and other baitfish will become the bulk of its diet.  Therefor using these big profile  highly mobile flies is indeed a perfect ‘match of the hatch’.  :wink

 :z18

Dave Robb

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #19 on: 05/01/2018 at 20:06 »
So those that have been fishing streamers on the Don, what sort of patterns are worth trying?

I’m assuming black with some mobility and some flash?

Derek Roxborough

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #20 on: 05/01/2018 at 20:21 »
At 81 I am very old school , you must be about 18 ? I can manage to catch my share with my traditional flies, 6lb WBT on  a size 14 Orange Invicta and a 3lb+  WBT on a size 12 Claret bumble, to each his own, I do use modern Equipment and have done since Carbon fibre was introduced , and hope fully I will continue to catch my share, lures aren't every thing  :X2 Derek Roxborough

Hamish Young

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #21 on: 05/01/2018 at 20:37 »
I’m assuming black with some mobility and some flash?
Pretty much all I fished with streamer wise - essentially a woolly bugger. Wee bit of 'what takes your fancy' flash wise, key thing for me was the fluorescent orange bead.... that just seemed to work. Probably just a confidence thing  :z8

Dave Robb

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #22 on: 05/01/2018 at 20:45 »
Pretty much all I fished with streamer wise - essentially a woolly bugger. Wee bit of 'what takes your fancy' flash wise, key thing for me was the fluorescent orange bead.... that just seemed to work. Probably just a confidence thing  :z8

Fished deep?

Will have to give it a go, some of those slow moving deep pools at Fintray might be worth a bash.  Not sure about chucking out a 15cm tandem but will make up some singles.

James Laraway

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #23 on: 05/01/2018 at 20:54 »
I found a predominantly black humongous with orange dumbbell eyes did well for me on the don...

Liam Stephen

Re: Streamer fishing
« Reply #24 on: 05/01/2018 at 21:32 »
At 81 I am very old school , you must be about 18 ? I can manage to catch my share with my traditional flies, 6lb WBT on  a size 14 Orange Invicta and a 3lb+  WBT on a size 12 Claret bumble, to each his own, I do use modern Equipment and have done since Carbon fibre was introduced , and hope fully I will continue to catch my share, lures aren't every thing  :X2 Derek Roxborough

81 and still fishing, good on you! I’m early 20s myself. There is no denying that wets catch fish.  I totally agree streamers have a time and a place. I’ve had a few chats with a mate and we both reckon a full season on only streamers would produce some of the biggest fish. It’s also have a hell of a lot of fishless days.   :z16

I’m a fan of what I call Ben’s Wooly bugger (black with Orange conehead) and some of the bigger articulated stuff such a Barely Legals, Butt Monkeys and the Drunk and Disorderly.

 :z18

 




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