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Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #75 on: 26/01/2017 at 22:43 »
Yanks..... what do you expect!?  :z4 :X2

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Iain Cameron

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #76 on: 27/01/2017 at 08:13 »
that's a great wee ptn you've made there Liam - old and modern in one. Looks like it'll sink like a stone too

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #77 on: 28/01/2017 at 09:30 »
Thanks Iain!  :z16

I think the UV coating will defo enhance its sinking properties. Hard to test this theory in a glass of water though.  :z4

Liam

Steven Sinclair

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #78 on: 28/01/2017 at 15:50 »
They look really good Liam but I can't help but think that you are loosing a lot of the "buggyness" of the pt fibres.

Will throw some together myself soon and have a play.

Cheers,

Steven.

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #79 on: 28/01/2017 at 18:22 »
I agree Stephen, others have said the same. Luckily I've 168 of the buggy looking ones plus a box of spares!  :z16

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Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #80 on: 31/01/2017 at 12:16 »
A couple of nymphs patterns that make up my spares box.  Nothing new or fancy just some tweaks on old reliable patterns!  :z16






With my 3 nymph patterns I'm confident I'll catch all season!

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Mike Barrio

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #81 on: 31/01/2017 at 13:37 »
Surprised that you're tying on barbed hooks Liam? ..... Nymphs look great :z16

Cheers
Mike

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #82 on: 31/01/2017 at 14:28 »
Thanks Mike!  :z16

Lots of people are surprised but I haven't been able to find a barbless hook that I like the look of and have confidence in.

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Sandy Nelson

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #83 on: 31/01/2017 at 15:48 »



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Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #84 on: 31/01/2017 at 17:03 »
Is that for pulling the hook out the fishes mouth Sandy!?  :z8 :X1

In all seriousness they will be crimped before use.

Liam

Iain Cameron

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #85 on: 01/02/2017 at 11:14 »


Quote from: Liam Stephen on Yesterday at 14:28:48

Lots of people are surprised but I haven't been able to find a barbless hook that I like the look of and have confidence in.


hi liam,


I like the Dohiku hooks, though admittedly only used the 301 model in sizes 16-20 for dries.

Have you had a look at their range at all? Maybe their 644 or 645 would interest you for bugs:
http://dohiku.eu/219-dohiku-hdg-645-larva-pupa-shrimp

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #86 on: 01/02/2017 at 12:18 »
Hi Iain

I'm familiar with the Dohiku range as I bought pretty much every model in 2014. 

They were not bad but I found them to be one size bigger than stated. The 301 seemed long in the shank from size 16 and above.  The 644 looked good as well but the gape with a bead on was tiny. I must admit I haven't tried the 645 yet and might do in the future.

I've tried pretty much every barbless hook on the market and have found nothing I like with the exception of the FM 35050.

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Iain Cameron

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #87 on: 02/02/2017 at 08:40 »
hi liam - aye, they are big-sized small flies. The shank length always seems a bit long on the 16s, but the 18s and 20s look just right for wee dry flees. They were my two go-to hooks for almost all of last season on the Don (when we felt that fish were generally feeding on smaller things!)


cheers
iain

Allan Liddle

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #88 on: 04/02/2017 at 09:46 »
There's some discussion on the course angling scene (who are always ahead of us game anglers) that barbless hooks cause more damage due to the amount of additional movement.  To be honest i've never really been overly sensitive to the barbless only regime let's face it what effect does a micro barb have really?  We should be more worried about poor handling of the fish after hooking (and i don't jut mean after landing either, an over-extended 'fight' can be seriously dangerous to the fish).

Having said all that, and been present with scientist guys for scale sampling, electro tagging and electro fishing, even simply watching fish in their general annual spawning regime  i've witnessed the fact they can stand up to quite a bit of 'punishment' with no serious after effects.  Be careful of the 'moral' stance as well, 100% C&R does not give you the 'High Ground' selective retention of fish does, that way you are 'harvesting' and being very selective on a food source, not merely using another living animal for self gratification.  But all wild troots over two pounds should be carefully returned  :wink :cool:

Mike Barrio

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #89 on: 04/02/2017 at 10:29 »
One of my main reasons for using barbless flies is that they are so much easier to remove from my own skin Allan :z4

Cheers
Mike

Mike Barrio

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #90 on: 04/02/2017 at 10:53 »
Nothing moral in my thoughts on this Allan, simply eleven years experience of running a fishery. Folk frequently hooked each other when fishing from boats, in the face, ears, neck and head ..... and themselves in hands and fingers. I was frequently asked to help to remove barbed and de-barbed hooks from folk and in the end wouldn't do it - it was inevitably my fault when it hurt  :z6

Barbless hooks did make a very big difference in how long it took to release a fish, how much that fish was handled and greatly reduced mouth wounds in my experience too. But perhaps the worst culprit for mouth wounds was aggressive striking with rods in the heavier line weights.

Cheers
Mike

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #91 on: 04/02/2017 at 11:40 »
Interesting post Allan! I'm sure many will be shouting at their phone/monitor.  :z4 :z7

Liam

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #92 on: 04/02/2017 at 11:53 »
Mike  :z16

I wish the rapala hook that a fish impaled me with whilst still on had been barbless.....  :cry

I can still feel it now and it still makes me queasy just thinking about it. Sore isn't it Ash!?  :z4

Most of my barbed hooks have now been debarbed.

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Ashley Thomas

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #93 on: 04/02/2017 at 12:05 »
Mike  :z16

I wish the rapala hook that a fish impaled me with whilst still on had been barbless.....  :cry

I can still feel it no and it still makes me queasy just thinking about it. Sore isn't it Ash!?  :z4

Most of my barbless hooks have now been debarbed.

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I had a funny feeling you'd mention it in this post.. not a nice feeling, even worse looking at you when it happened and your as white as casper  :shock  :X2

Ash

Marc Fauvet

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #94 on: 04/02/2017 at 13:12 »
barbless hooks cause more damage due to the amount of additional movement. 

like what compared to a barbed hook, they come out and go back in ?...   :X1

both types of hooks have the same potential to swivel around as a fish changes direction. the barb has to, and does, create more tears and damage as the hook is swiveling. it's blaringly obvious.

Mike Barrio

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #95 on: 04/02/2017 at 13:24 »
Sorry if my comment has kind of hi-jacked your great topic Liam :oops ...... but it's all interesting discussion.

Cheers
Mike

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #96 on: 04/02/2017 at 14:57 »
No worries Mike!  :z16

Discussion is good, this is the place to do it.

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Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #97 on: 04/02/2017 at 16:33 »
The 'spares' nymph box. A couple of PT variants that I have huge success with and a hares ear type buggy thing.




350+ nymphs should last a wee while at least. At last count I had 17 dries!  :z4

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Jeff Donovan

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #98 on: 04/02/2017 at 19:33 »
Lovely looking box of trout-candy.   :z16

Liam Stephen

Re: Tying Season 2016/17
« Reply #99 on: 04/02/2017 at 22:08 »
A new 'Duo Dry/Float/Indicator/Suspenser/Bobber (that should keep everyone happy) to try this season a long with a few big Klinks.  :z4

I saw the fly on Stan from Ceramic Flies FB page and liked the look of it. They float forever and revive super quickly.





Im struggling to get into tying dries again. It's been a long winter of mainly tungsten and lead.  :z7

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