Fishing The Fly Scotland Forum

Rob Brownfield

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #25 on: 22/02/2016 at 11:14 »
But a very similar system works in Spain Rob :wink

Ahhhhh, but they speak funny and do not queue at bus stops ;)

Rob Brownfield

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #26 on: 22/02/2016 at 11:20 »
Funny enough, you are all alluding to a system that is already in operation in the UK, a Rod licence :)

An EA rod licence gives anglers access to a huge number of free fisheries in England and Wales. Some of the money than goes back into re-stocking these free canals, rivers and lakes.

Of course, it does not give access to "owned" fisheries where an additional permit is required.


Colin Sunley

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #27 on: 22/02/2016 at 12:57 »
I cant think of a single fishery that is free in the Aberdeen area or Grampian for that matter. 

Am confused a little here, So Scotland will eventually be pulled in line with the rest of the UK and Euro with the introduction of a Rod Licence ? So the bases of the Rod licence for the rest of the UK is to open up free fishing in areas where it exists and some of this money goes back to the fisheries ?  ye ??
Only place that I think free fishing exists in Scotland is Orkney.

Rod Licence £70
ADAA £210
Local Roaming £232  2016 only,  2017 TBA as the council are letting go, 
Day trips on the Dee £50 average,  Day trips on the Don £35 average,
New gear £200 average spent

That a hell of a lot of dosh for one year,

With that kind of money I'll being looking to move to Orkney



Marc Fauvet

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #28 on: 22/02/2016 at 13:22 »
Funny enough, you are all alluding to a system that is already in operation in the UK, a Rod licence :)

Of course, it does not give access to "owned" fisheries where an additional permit is required.

yes and no, Rob. 'owned fisheries' are extremely rare here. the only places i can think of are in Brittany and they're not really worth going to anyhow...  :z4
anyhow, in other words, if the spot looks good you stop and fish. period.
there are of course certain areas where fishing is forbiden but it's about fish management (wild nurseries etc) and  has nothing to do land ownership. this info is on a map everyone gets when they purchase their license and regs of this type are on waterside signs to make the boundaries clear.
it's a really good system  :z16

Derek Roxborough

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #29 on: 22/02/2016 at 15:37 »
According to the bill there will be no rod licence , but a levy, all the things mentioned would be fine if the fishing wasn't in the hands of the 7% who own the land, 84% of it, the English rod licence pays for the Jobsworths who do the bailiff work, according to guys I know very little goes back into improving the fishing,  I would willingly pay for a rod licence , if the fishing was owned by the country,  it will be interesting to see how the levy works, I think that the biggest threat to migratory fish is fish farms and they should be made to pay for the protection of the salmon & seatrout  , rant over , :z18 easgach 1
 

Hamish Young

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #30 on: 23/02/2016 at 06:36 »
I'd agree that the single biggest domestic threat to our migratory fish is indeed salmon farming, although successive Scottish governments would arguably have to be the second biggest threat for their impotence in the face of scientific fact about the dangers of salmon farming to our environment.

Now on the subject of a rod licence I have a different view, albeit based on my experiences as a student in 1990 to '93 working part time with the (then) Welsh National Rivers Authority (NRA) as a water bailiff. The NRA system was generally a good - if complicated - organisation that was an evolution of the previous Regional Water Authorities. That included a legacy of positive action in enforcing fisheries legislation matched with a willingness to tackle environment/habitat issues - the logo was a Salmon :!
Now I am not a fan of the EA that replaced the NRA system as much was lost in terms of the local 'flavour' and I'd wholeheartedly agree that the way the EA goes about business today is symptomatic of too many chiefs, not enough Indians and reactionary to government rather than pro-actively environment. That is a shame, but it does not necessarily mean that we in Scotland could not use some of what we have and some of what we might be able to finance (through a levy or licence) based on the NRA model. It could work.

If I knew for certain that my licence or levy fee was paying towards the provision of a professional qualified water bailiff force to police those waters under threat or without any protection currently then I would gladly pay it. I'd argue that it's something we could use nationally now - a national unit which could assist those bailiff forces already in place that are employed by the DSFBs. We already know that in most cases that there are insufficient bailiffs on Scottish waters so it would seem reasonable to suggest that a small national 'force' would go some way to helping with the issues. Police Scotland are already pushed to the limits, they do not have the resource to be able to assist bailiffs on our water systems as much as they might wish to.
It tickles my sense of humour to draw an analogy with American law enforcement, but if you consider the current bailiff forces in Scotland as the local sheriffs then what I'm supposing could most likely be considered the FBI  :z4 OK, not the best analogy but I think you probably get the idea.

How much is a fair levy/licence ??? I am uncertain. Depends what it's going to pay for and (importantly) whatever it does have to pay for has to be of benefit not a hindrance to existing fisheries management.

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #31 on: 23/02/2016 at 07:34 »
According to the bill there will be no rod licence ,
Hmmmm...there is a bit that says they have the right to bring in licensed fishing...

Derek Roxborough

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #32 on: 23/02/2016 at 15:21 »
Licenced fishing Yes, but no specific rod licence, the licence seems to be related to Tags for Killing,as an alternative  or accessory to Levies, whatev er it will change fishing for ever  easgach 1

Mike Barrio

Re: 78 pages of future red tape
« Reply #33 on: 29/04/2016 at 11:40 »
This is not the consultation, but something a lot shorter and easier to understand ....... Have you read it?

I believe the 'SRG' is the Stakeholders Reference Group, which includes the Scottish Government, the Association of Salmon Fishery Boards, the Association of Scottish Still Water Fisheries, SANA and the Scottish Federation of Coarse Anglers?

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0049/00498704.pdf

 




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