Flie tying kit

« **on:** 17/04/2013 at 20:46 »

Hello have been looking at a cheep kit to get in to tying my one flies have had a look at this kit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BISON-COMPLETE-FLY-TYING-KIT-IN-CORDURA-CARRY-CASE-/390577403777?pt=UK_SportingGoods_FishingAcces_RL&hash=item5af03a3781

What is you think or is there any better kits out there

« **Reply #1 on:** 17/04/2013 at 22:36 »

Quote from: Burnett on 17/04/2013 at 20:46

Hello have been looking at a cheep kit to get in to tying my one flies have had a look at this kit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BISON-COMPLETE-FLY-TYING-KIT-IN-CORDURA-CARRY-CASE-/390577403777?pt=UK_SportingGoods_FishingAcces_RL&hash=item5af03a3781

What is you think or is there any better kits out there

Don't buy a kit, you will get stuff with it that you don't need or will never use, it is generally a false economy !

Go and speak to Ben Dixon (Ben_D on here) at Orvis in Banchory - he will advise you on a decent starter vice and good materials, tools and hooks for patterns you can use for the type of fishing you intend and that also will catch fish for you !

Lindsay

« **Reply #2 on:** 18/04/2013 at 07:23 »

Quote from: Loxiafan on 17/04/2013 at 22:36

Don't buy a kit, you will get stuff with it that you don't need or will never use, it is generally a false economy !

Go and speak to Ben Dixon (Ben_D on here) at Orvis in Banchory - he will advise you on a decent starter vice and good materials, tools and hooks for patterns you can use for the type of fishing you intend and that also will catch fish for you !

Lindsay

Hear Hear

« **Reply #3 on:** 18/04/2013 at 08:09 »

Agreed.

Pick say half a dozen patterns you want to tie, then get the material and hooks for them.

Some patterns may be too difficult to start with so maybe put your list on here and folk will be able to tell you what ones to go for.

For me, based on the waters you mentioned elsewhere, I would suggest the following flies as being easy to tie, and would catch fish:

Buzzer (In black, red and olive, but mainly black versions) Very easy to tie, give a coat of nail varnish and they last ages
IPN (In white, olive and black) Small sizes can be used as Damsel fly nymphs, large as pulling lures or fry patterns. Peacock Spider. Good general purpose fly that introduces you to tying a fly with a hackle.
Shipmans Buzzer. (In fiery brown, olive, black). A stillwater try fly that introduces a dubbed body. Very effective when trout are up on the top.

...and I can't really think of any more. All the above are easy to tie and proven fish catchers. They all form the basis of a good foundation to build on.

« **Reply #4 on:** 18/04/2013 at 15:05 »

Thanks for the reply so stay away from the kits

Was looking to start off with buzzer and work on from there

Will pm Ben_D or go for a run up past

« **Reply #5 on:** 18/04/2013 at 15:26 »

Have a look on Youtube for patterns. Davie McPhail is the master by a long way, but Fishtec do some good ones.

http://youtu.be/yj9RQihvStg

They list the materials at the end of the vid.

« **Reply #6 on:** 18/04/2013 at 15:37 »

Thanks for that YouTube has been my best friend wee all the different knots for tying different things

« **Reply #7 on:** 18/04/2013 at 19:15 »

Look for Davie McPhail on YouTube. His videos are truly excellent.

Cheers

Matt

« **Reply #8 on:** 26/04/2013 at 22:01 »

Thanks to Ben for sorting me out today will post up some pics when I tie I first fly

« **Reply #9 on:** 26/04/2013 at 23:01 »

No problem Alan

Good luck with it, look forward to seeing some flies.

Ben

« **Reply #10 on:** 27/04/2013 at 08:34 »

If your wanting to start tying up buzzers you wont need much equipment.

Do you need a list of tools or just materials for getting started!
I could rustle up a kit out of my old equipment and materials if you were interested?

Baz

« **Reply #11 on:** 27/04/2013 at 10:05 »

Quote from: bigtroot on 27/04/2013 at 08:34

If your wanting to start tying up buzzers you wont need much equipment.

Do you need a list of tools or just materials for getting started!
I could rustle up a kit out of my old equipment and materials if you were interested?

Baz

Thanks for the offer just got all new kit from Ben yesterday

« **Reply #12 on:** 27/04/2013 at 10:25 »

What did you for kit wise?

« **Reply #13 on:** 02/05/2013 at 19:34 »

Well got a bit off time to try out my new fly tying kit so hear is my first fly ples go easy on me

Sorry for the poor pic will have to get the dslr out to get a better one

« **Reply #14 on:** 02/05/2013 at 21:01 »

You need to use a different background colour for contrast. Blue is popular for flies.

« **Reply #15 on:** 02/05/2013 at 21:11 »

Hi Alan,
If you were trying to emulate the placemat then that's brilliant!

Seriously though, as you know the camera has focused on the table and bypassed the fly so you might want to give it another go.

I find some form of sightboard is handy for tying and photographing, I use a bit of A3 white paper folded over a bit of A4 Card propped against a coke can!

From what I can see it looks pretty good

perhaps the thorax could be a little longer and the rib spacing a wee bit more uniform but that's major nit pikin' at this stage

Very well done

Iain

« **Reply #16 on:** 02/05/2013 at 22:27 »

Thanks for the pantograph tips think I will have to invest in a micro lens to get better pics

Hear is a slit lay better pit

Took me a long time to tie these 2

« **Reply #17 on:** 02/05/2013 at 22:37 »

They'll work Alan

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Nice start

Sandy

« **Reply #18 on:** 02/05/2013 at 22:55 »

Alan,
It will take a while to tie them at the start, you have to think about what your trying to achieve and the techniques required, you will get faster BUT concentrate on technique not speed.

That's a better picture to see what is going on.

I agree there is no doubt they will catch fish so already you're off to a flier.

Nit pickin' again................. Thorax on the right is fine, thorax on the left is a bit short, easy fix though.
What have you used for the body? Black tying thread? Black floss? The body appears to be knobbly in some places, try to keep the body uniform which can be a bit tricky but stick with it.

Nicely done. Are you planning on using them soon? Post a picture of a fish if you do.

Iain

« **Reply #19 on:** 03/05/2013 at 09:23 »

Slim and sparse, those will catch fish Alan! Probably in spades

What Iain says

'It will take a while to tie them at the start, you have to think about what your trying to achieve and the techniques required, you will get faster BUT concentrate on technique not speed.'

is spot on.

« **Reply #20 on:** 03/05/2013 at 17:06 »

Yup they'll work Alan, keep the more you tye the easier it gets. It's good craic as well, yes frustrating at times but very rewarding in the end.

« **Reply #21 on:** 04/05/2013 at 18:45 »

Thanks for the comments this was my next attempt do you think this will catch fish

« **Reply #22 on:** 04/05/2013 at 22:48 »

As you all no that I have just started looking to get some more tying thread to tie different colour buzzar anyone recommend some recommend some feathers or other good stuff to buy I have tinsel wire and black and white thread any advice would be good

« **Reply #23 on:** 05/05/2013 at 09:18 »

Hi Alan,
firstly let me say that what I'm about to say to you is no different to what I'd say to a close friend or my wee boy....................so don't take it personally
What are you dickin' about with marabou growth ridden buzzers for at this stage? have you got your basic tying of a black buzzer completely sorted?

Then I'd say well done, the fly actually looks good from a tying standpoint & now you can appreciate just how limitless the boundaries are when you tie your own flies.

Then I'd say - this might be the best design of fly that has ever existed as until it's been road tested you just never know. Then I'd say - don't send me any 'cos I'm doubtful that it is.

Anyway about materials. I think that black is the best colour for buzzer bodies and if you look at getting electric biots in, say green & sunburst for cheek materials then this will give you a couple of must have patterns.

Black and green buzzers are by far my most successful colour scheme. Lime green floss (not too thick) will never go wrong as it's used in many trout patterns e.g. it can be used to make cheeks or even a sparse collar at the junction of thorax and body on your buzzers.

I'd highly recommend Sally Hanson 'Hard As Nails' (clear) applied in a couple of very thin coats to the buzzer this protecst the materials and gives a bit of shape with an 'air bubble' type shine.

At this stage it'd be worth tying up some red Apps Bloodworms and Okey Dokeys in white/lime & white/orange.
I'm not a great fan of Okey Dokeys although they are a very successful fly but the Apps bloodworm has proved itself to be a great pattern for me, especially over the Winter.
Both patterns only require 2 materials (after the tying thread) so you've nothing to lose.

At this time of year I'd be looking at having a surface pattern in my tying armoury and there is one fairly simple one that I'd not be without on still or running water, but that's for later.

Got to go, being harrassed
Iain

« **Reply #24 on:** 05/05/2013 at 09:40 »

Thanks got the advice Ian will have a look at the flys you said and see what I need to do theme

Alan

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